Dr. George Gonzalez recently sat down with his very first student and Quantum Neurologist, Dr. Dave Pascal, to share some exciting stories and experiences Dave has had over the past year.

A chiropractor for 26 years, Dave has been utilizing Quantum Neurology® for the last 12 and has had tremendous results with patients ranging from the severely disabled to professional athletes. This year his adventures have been focused around the world of elite track and field athletes. Dave actually travels with his athletes, working with them to enhance their performance and keep them in top shape so that they can recover faster if an injury does take place.

This past year Dave had 16 athletes compete in the summer games. Almost every one of them came home with a medal. In fact, of all the medals the US has won in track and field over the last 12 years, 25% of those medals belonged to athletes that Dave has treated. A skilled athlete himself, Dave ran track and field at UCLA and raced internationally for the United States before becoming involved with world gymnastics championships, the women’s pro beach volleyball tour, the NFL and the PGA. But Dave still maintains that his true love is track and field.

To get to where he is today, Dave says the road is long but clear. He became a certified chiropractic sports physician, worked his way through 100 hours of courses to learn about typical sports injury management and work with other doctors, and then was slowly integrated into the system, first treating juniors at a local track meet before being selected for a team of 30 or 40 chiropractors to work a medical tent at an event like a national championship. “Then maybe you can be selected to a junior national team and then a professional team. And then you might get selected as one of the medical staff for a world championship, juniors first and then seniors. And then, FINALLY, if you are one of those few people, a committee selects you to become an official chiropractor for the US team.” But, as Dave says, he didn’t go that route. Dave prefers working with his athletes for as long as possible, ideally from right out of college through their entire career. He says, “My athletes are my patients, just like your patients are your patients.”

Dave’s stories about his patients’ recoveries are intense, inspiring, and many. One of the athletes he has worked with for years is Aries Merritt, a hurdler who, in a US championship, narrowly missed competing. He was racing two races two hours apart, a semifinal and then a final. Dave worked on him before the semifinal, then said, “’Alright Aries, we’re only going to have a short turn around here. Rest for an hour and then come back to me an hour before the final and we’ll do our work.’

I have a number of athletes I’m working with at the championships so I can’t really pay attention outside of working with a large number of people. So I had 25 or so people there and Aries goes off and I’m sure he is going to make the final. I don’t even think about it. About an hour later I had a short little break. I’m walking as fast as I can through the stadium to go get some food and I see Aries just sitting on a chair by himself. So I’m like, ‘Hey Aries I’ll see you in an hour.’ I had heard from someone else that he had made the finals.  And he goes, ‘No you won’t.’ I literally just stopped and I’m like, ‘what do you mean?’ Then he says he sprained his ankle. I guess what happened is on the last hurdle he rolled his ankle and had a grade 2 sprain and he came across the finish line and they interview him right there on the track. They say, ‘Hey you just won the semifinal! We are going to see you in two hours for the final.’ He goes, ‘No, I’m not going to run. I sprained my ankle and in fact I can barely stand,’ and he hopped off and there he was sitting on the chair when I walked by. I had no idea.

I said, ‘Why are you sitting there? Why didn’t you come to my table?’ He said, ‘Why would I do that? I can’t run.’ I said, ‘You don’t know Quantum Neurology® well enough apparently’, even though we worked together all these years. So I helped him over to my table and then we only had an hour before the final. He’s got to be in the top two to qualify for the world championships and this is a chance to win a national title. He has never won a national championship. So I treated him through our various protocols and as I’m treating him the pain is going down, the swelling is going down, the strength is increasing and time is going tick, tick, tick. And finally we get to the point where he could actually walk pain free and then he could jog pain free and then he could go over some hurdles very carefully pain free and, just before he went out to run in the final, he actually could go full speed pain free. It was a miracle.

It was all happening right there. It’s one of those rare opportunities where that clock is ticking and you got to get them better and do everything you can. So he goes out and he runs the race. He wins his first national championship. Not only was he a national champion but he got to qualify for the world championships. He goes two weeks later to Istanbul. Destroys the world record holder. Destroys everybody and wins his first world championship. So he went from nothing, not even going to be able to run even though he put in all the work. Even though he was a tremendous talent and he had a phenomenal coach, a great support staff, and everyone worked together to get him to that point, because of a freak accident it was all going to be gone. But because of Quantum Neurology® he was able to get in the blocks. And since he was able to get in the blocks he was able to manifest that talent and hard work and he was able to win a US title and go on to win his first world title and that was phenomenal.

But that’s not the end of his story. Later he runs the 110 hurdles- basically the length of a football field plus the one end zone. And they have to jump over 10 hurdles that are 42’’ high and they are flying. In all of history only a few people have run under 13 seconds and one person had run under 13 seconds six times in one season and that was the world record holder. Well last year Aries ran under 13 seconds ten times. We all went to London and he destroyed one of the greatest fields in history and won the gold medal and about three weeks later he totally shattered the world record in the hurdles. Absolutely incredible. It was very exciting to see the athlete I worked on set a world record while they were under my care. It was an honor and if he hadn’t been able to run that indoor race because of his ankle who knows what the rest of the season would have looked like. The confidence he got from his first national title, his first world championship, certainly supported his season. That was a just a joy to get to take part in.”

                Although working with his own patients is preferred, Dave doesn’t discriminate. Every once in while he gets athletes sent to him from team doctors or medical staff.  “I don’t solicit athletes,” he says. “If they solicit my help we work it out if we can.” In one instance, Dave was at the US trials and he got a call asking if he’s be willing to see an injured athlete. “It just worked out that I had a break in my schedule right then. I had 32 athletes which was a lot for one person to manage because I usually treat those athletes 3 times a day, every day. As fate would have it I had this little window.

So the person that came over, his name is Derrick Miles and Derrick, at that time, had been on 5 world championship teams and he’d had won a gold medal at the world championship. He was one of the greatest pole vaulters in US history. And what happened is he had gone into the medical tent and went up to a trainer and asked if they would tape up his lower leg because it hurt. So of course she complied. As she is taping him she happened to say, ‘So how you doing?’ And he said, ‘You really want to know how I’m doing?’ She said, ‘I really want to know.’ He said, ‘Between you and me, two months ago I got injured and I hurt my Achilles tendon and I can’t run. I haven’t run for two months. I have been getting care very single day. Acupuncture. Physical therapy. Chiropractic. We are doing every type of therapy that can be done to get me ready so I can try to make this team. And I’ve tried to run four different times and I can’t even run a stride. If I can’t stride, I can’t sprint and if I can’t sprint, I can’t sprint down a pole vault runway and jump. And, therefore, what I’m planning on doing after you finish taping up my leg is I’m going take my pole and go over to the runway. It’s an off time right now. And just do my own little private ceremony and lay my pole down on the side of the runway. I have had a great career but it’s over now. I’m just going to retire.’ And so she said, ‘Wow. That’s really a story. Are you willing to try one more thing?’ And he was like, ’Yes, of course.’ So that’s when she picked up the cell phone and called me.

He came over. I had seen him around of course, great athlete but I had never worked with him in the past. And he gave me the details of what was going on and I asked how long we had. For the pole vault they take the top 40 athletes from around the country and they are invited to the trials. They have a semifinal and everyone gets to vault and the top 12 then get to come back for the finals and the top three get to be on the team. I said, ‘How long do we have until your first round?’ He said 2 and a half  days. So we got started. He had such pain on his Achilles tendon that the pressure that you would put on your eyeball if your eyelid was shut… that was him. That’s how much pain he had. He severely inflamed that Achilles tendon and he had already had two months of rest and care and even after that it was that painful.  He had hurt the tendon and there are muscles around that tendon and they influence the tendon and I developed a technique to assess that injury and accelerate its repair. So we worked on it for 2.5 days and each hour he got better and better and just before he went out to vault in the semifinal 2.5 days later I could squeeze on that tendon and it had gone down from a 10 to a 2 [pain threshold]. He came back a couple hours later and eventually he made his third Olympic team. Sometimes you don’t really play any role at all, the athlete didn’t really have any issues. And other times you know without a shadow of a doubt you made a huge contribution to that person and in Derrick’s case I’m proud to say we definitely made a huge contribution so that was an honor to get to do that.”

Through it all, Dave has maintained a degree of awe and humility despite his coveted position. His gratitude for where he is and what he does is apparent in every word and gesture. Another one of his favorite stories involves a man named Brian Frasier.

“Brian Frasier is a Paralympian. He was a good sprinter at North Carolina State University and there’s a train that goes through the campus. And it slows down when I goes through campus and he said some of the kids would run and jump on the train and jump in the box car. Then they would go down to the next town 100 miles away and spent the day there messing around and the next train coming back and they would hop on that and they just did that all the time, goofing around. One day he’s running to hop up on the train and he slips and falls under the train. And the wheels amputated half of one foot and got him mid-calf on the other leg. He’s fortunate that he didn’t die. In that situation when you are so young and you have your whole life ahead of you and it looks like you have no life, some people choose to end their lives or turn to drugs or alcohol or and just throw everything away. That’s a very common and sad thing. But Brian didn’t do that. He used that as a motivator. Obviously in the beginning he went through a rough time but he focused and said, ‘This is what I have, what can I do with it.’ So what he did was train really hard and he competed and he was selected by his teammates to be the flag bearer in the opening ceremonies. There is only one and he was the one. So he set countless world records in the 100, 200, relays, and the long jump over the years. He was selected US team captain. And won a ton of medals. He is a just a phenomenal person. He works for a company that makes these prosthetics so he can help others. The main people that he works with are all the returning vets that have lost limbs in these wars. I was fortunate to get to work with him and my favorite story about him is before Athens; I had a large group of athletes that were all training at NC State at the track there. NC can get really hot and this one day there it was 105 and everyone is dying out there. They do a sprint and then they go lay on the grass and recover for 20 minutes and get up and do another one. This one guy the whole time he is complaining. Oh it’s so hot. Oh this is horrible. And just going on and on. Blah. Blah. Blah. So Brian got sick of it. So he was sitting on the grass ‘I can’t believe how hard this is…’ and Brian walks by and looks at him and goes, ‘Yeah it is. You ought to try it with just one leg.’ Bam. Puts things in perspective. So I love Brian Frasier.”

Many doctors tend to give up on tougher cases or they refer them out because they don’t really have many answers for people. Much of the neurological work that chiropractors learn in school is designed to find a weakness and just write it down. They learn about the 12 cranial nerves, what to do and how to assess them. When someone comes in with a deficit, their cranial nerves are evaluated. “And then what? Are you going to give them an HIO adjustment? Alright, maybe that might help. Maybe a hundred years ago when there weren’t other factors weakening the body like all the toxins we have now,” says Dave. “But that doesn’t work these days. So we learn about the cranial nerves, but there was no treatment up until Quantum Neurology®.” Even medical, acupuncture, and other healthcare professionals learn about these nerves in the traditional schooling viewpoint. They do the test and, if it is weak, they document it and see if it’s better later.

Dave accounts many patients who have benefited from Quantum Neurology® cranial work. “I had one woman come in who was about 70 and she had lost her sense of smell 50 years earlier. She heard that we did neurologic work so she came in and we did a complete work up. She had no sense of smell that I could find. I gave her one Quantum Neurology® treatment and sent her home and told her to come back for her follow up. And she comes back and she had full restoration of smell. She said

that one day she’s in her kitchen and she said to her husband, ‘What’s that smell? What

is that?’ And then she says her husband says, ‘Oh honey, that’s the garbage.’ So sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

I had another woman who had lost her hearing.  If you spoke in a very loud voice she could hear that but certainly not at a conversational level. We did a work up…definitely a profound hearing loss. I gave her one Quantum Neurology® treatment and when I was done I brought the husband over and said, ‘Go ahead and say something.’ And he in a soft whisper said, ‘I love you.’ And his wife looked up. She had been deaf for over 20 years. ‘Did you just say you love me?’ So that is very rewarding to be able to do that.

Another woman had throat cancer. They removed a lot of tissue from her throat and they had to remove a third of her tongue. They took a muscle from another part of her body and put that into her tongue. They graft some skin off of her leg onto it. It’s just amazing what medicine at its best can do. The surgical skills are unbelievable. That left her with the ability to talk but she didn’t have good control and she had lost all taste. So food meant nothing to her, you don’t realize how much a role that plays until you lose it.

Years later she came in, we did our work on her and two things occurred. She went from being able to talk like she had to being able to speak pretty normally. And the second thing is she had taste return. So she just loves food. She’s mad at me now because she gained 800 pounds eating all this food. It wasn’t really 800 pounds, but she can actually taste and enjoy food now.”

For those who may not be familiar with the cranial nerves, there are a lot of nerves happening the tongue. You have nerves 7 and 9 in taste. You have perimeter 5 and 10 for sensation. You have cranial nerve 12 that moves the tongue, and many of them overlap. So it really is a miraculous surgery to be able to reform that tissue. When people have these issues it’s very common that they would have to live with weaknesses for the rest of their life as a result of the damage to these nerves. Traditionally the medical model of healing dictates that after a debilitating injury or nerve damage of any sort you have about 6 months to recover any function. Anything gained up to 6 months is considered maximum recovery.  Often times Quantum Neurologists work with these people so they don’t necessarily have to live under those circumstances. With Quantum Neurology®, we have had tremendous success in restoring functions after several years of damage, sometimes 50 years later. There are cases we have seen with people who are paralyzed for dozens of years and recovered function.

     “I had one woman come into me and she was about 80 and ever since she was a little girl she had severe vertigo and severe motion sickness. Just getting in a car and driving one block in a car would make her vomit. And because she was so sensitive she spent most of her life in her house and only walking in her neighborhood. She could tolerate that motion but couldn’t tolerate the car. On the rare occasion she did have to go somewhere she would take Dramamine or some other motion sickness medicine. So her whole life had been that way and she came to me and we treated her two times and her motion sickness completely went away. That was about 8 years ago and to this day she still is fine. Truly amazing.”

                One child Dave worked with was born without a corpus callosum, which is the connection between the right side of your brain and the left side of your brain (the movie Rainman is a classic example). “This young girl’s motions were quite random when she first came in to see me. There was no intelligible sound coming out of her mouth. They seemed to be random and gargled. Her quality of life wasn’t very good. So we’ve been working with her for a couple of months now. It is amazing she can play games, like on an app. These balloons would come up on a screen and you’d have to actually touch each balloon to make it pop. She can ascertain the trajectory of those balloons now. She knows which ones she has popped, which ones she hasn’t popped. That’s quite a lot of coordinating going on there. And over the period of time for her care her sounds have become more focused. In physical direction her body has become more focused and this week she actually said the word ‘milk’. For many this is a simple thing but for her and her parents it was monumental. So we hope to continue her progress.

Another cranial nerve patient that I had was a 17 year old high school athlete. She was a very good, national class runner who had strained her hamstring. She came in for me to work on her and during her exam I noticed that one of eyes is just moving all over the place off to the side and I asked what occurred. Well this young lady was born three months premature. She weighed less a pound and her lungs weren’t developed, since the lungs and the eyes are the last things that are developed. And so they had to put her in an incubator with high oxygen to help get that tissue oxygen saturation. Unfortunately the oxygen damaged her vision. And in her left eye her peripheral vision was effected. Her vision was this little tiny window. So to look at you she would have to turn her eyes and look in that direction. In addition to that in both eyes her visual acuity was 2400. Legally blind is 2200. So in that left eye not only did she have only a little window but it was 2400. So what you or I could see from 400 feet away that would big a pretty big sign she would have to be 20 feet away from it just to see it. I asked the mom if I could document that and she said yes. So I did. I brought in my chart, did a work up, and it was exactly what she said. A little tiny slit. Of her entire field of vision all she had was 7%. So then we treated her. I gave her one treatment. She opened up her eyes and she started to cry. And her mother was across the room and I can see the mother starting to get out of her chair and coming forward me as if to hurt me. Because I have hurt her daughter, apparently. But I knew what had happened. So I said, ‘Tell me what’s going on. Tell me quick before your mother hits me.’ She goes, ‘I can see.’ Her mother literally stopped. I said, ‘What do you mean?’ She said, ‘I can see everything.” Her entire field of vision was restored. It was a true miracle. When I retested her she has 100% of her cardinal field of gaze and her visual acuity had gone from 2400 to 2200. That was almost 4 years ago. I am still in contact with her and she never lost those gains from that one treatment.” It’s always wonderful to help somebody but it’s so special to help young people because you know that those gains will last them throughout their life and they have a different trajectory of life.

                For those of you who don’t know, Quantum Neurology® was born from techniques George developed after his wife Lori injured her spinal cord. At the time, he had no idea how valuable these techniques would become. Dave says, “What I found as a chiropractor is that I have often struggled trying to get people to understand what I am doing or believe what I’m doing. And, as a Quantum Neurologist®, it is even tougher because we say we can take someone that has been blind for 17 years and treat them one time and they can see and people have difficulty believing that. Even the ones that want to.” Dave further describes this difficulty in understanding in an analogy: “It’s like if we were to get into a time machine and go back 150 years to the age of the horse and someone would ask you how long it takes to go from Los Angeles to San Francisco? For us in 2013 we’d say it takes about 7 hours. But to say that to someone 150 years ago they’d go, ‘No don’t you mean 7 days because you are on a horse.’ And to explain to them no, its actually hours, not days, even the most brilliant minds of the time couldn’t wrap their mind around that that is even possible. And that’s where we are as Quantum Neurologists®. The technique that you have developed is so advanced hopefully in 50 years everyone gets treated at that speed. But now it’s very hard for people to understand. So we will see people where they say ‘There’s no way you are going to be able to compete. This is no way this going to heal in time. It’s going to take weeks or months for you to recover’, and we’re getting them better in a matter of hours.”

                The proof is really in the results. For example, with athletes there are traditional therapy concepts such as what’s called RICE: Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation. Quantum Neurology® might use those methods but it’s definitely not the focus. Quantum Neurology® up regulates the Nervous System. With professional athletes, this makes a huge mark. Dave explains: “You can have a great athlete and they are great shape and all those top athletes are so close in ability but Quantum Neurology will bring something different to the table. It brings the athletes, even the ones that are apparently perfect, into a higher state. And I believe, and my athletes believe as well, that one of the major factors that helps them is Quantum Neurology® because all those athletes are so close together and if you can even be half of one percent better than that quite often makes all the difference.”

Of course, as with any patient, not all Quantum Neurology® cases are the same. It took George 10 years to fully recover Lori, with much learning process along the way. But eventually he developed QN as we know it today. He says that same injury now would probably take a series of months to get her back to 100%, with all the knowledge Quantum Neurologists have now. And they’re still exploring and discovering new techniques. In Dave’s recent experience he describes one patient who’s treatment is not so immediate, but no less miraculous.

“We had a young lady come in this year who was driving a four wheeler…alongside of a cliff. I never asked her why she was doing this but she was. Seemed like a good idea at the time apparently. So she’s driving along she actually had a teenager on the back and the cliff if where you are and the teenager tapped her on the shoulder to ask her a question so she looked over her left shoulder and turned the wheel. The vehicle took a sharp right turn and turned off the cliff it was 150 ft. cliff. That’s 15 stories. So go to downtown LA. Go to the 15th floor of a building. Open the window and step out. And that’s what she did. And she went down and as luck would have it she hit a tree. Tree branches absorbed her fall and through the grace of God she didn’t die. She is paralyzed from the chest down. She spent the last three years in and out doing neurology and they told her she would never move her legs again. She could forget about that. That she could never fire her core muscles again.

When she came in to see me in a wheelchair one of my other patients had been telling her for two years to come see me. And finally she came in. She couldn’t move anything below her T4 vertebrae  and she had no bladder function. So she was using a catheter and she was putting out about 1200 cc’s of urine a day. And, with most people that are paraplegic, the thing that leads to their premature death is kidney failure. It’s not just the nerves of the muscles that are affected but quite often the organs are as well. When you’re only putting out about half your urine output it is going to take its toll over time. So on her first day we did our work up on her and when she came back on her second day I’m thinking the number one thing I need to do is something about longevity. So I gave her a Quantum Neurology® treatment  specifically targeted to up regulate kidney function. And after that treatment the next day her urine output went from three years of averaging 1200 cc’s to 3600. Now she’s mad at me because she is having to cath all the time. I said you know what I just bought you an extra thirty years. So be mad at me all you want. So that was wonderful.

Almost all these stories we are sharing now are all these one time fixes, but not everyone is a one time fix.  Someone can come in to see us and they may metaphorically be at the bottom of a 100 foot well and we can do treatment that, metaphorically, neurologically brings them up 10 feet. But to them there is no change and for us looking at them is no change. And we give them another treatment and we bring them up another 10 feet. But still no apparent outside objective change. No change from the patient’s viewpoint. And you can treat someone, no change, treat them again, no change. And then two things can happen; either you treat them forever and nothing will change or something will change.

With this young lady that I am talking about, on her 8th treatment she came in and we transferred her out of her chair onto the table and she is sitting on the edge of table and we do some things and I said, ‘Kick your leg out.’ I see a lot of severely neurologically impaired people and I am very blessed to do it for so long. We have people coming all over the US, from Asia, from Europe, and sometimes I forget their exact details. I forget their history of how long they have been impaired. This day and this case, which was her 8th treatment, I said, ‘Go ahead and kick your leg out.’ And she struggled and got that leg out. It wasn’t pretty but she did it and then she brought it down. It was kind of hard to tell if she pulled it down or it fell down. So I come back and feel. ‘Go ahead stick that leg out again.’ She brings it out. ‘Go ahead and pull your leg down.’ I could feel she is actually firing those muscles. Then I said, ‘Do the other.’ I said, ‘That’s great.

Then this little light bulb went off in my head. I said, ‘When was the last time you were able to move your legs?’ She goes, ‘Oh Dr. Pascal, I’ve never been able to move my legs here.’ And then her whole story popped back in my head. For almost three years she had never been able to move her legs at all.  And on that 8th treatment, she did. So on her 2nd treatment her kidneys changed. But her 3rd treatment nothing happened. On her 4th treatment no change at all.  5th treatment, nothing. 6th treatment, no change at all. 7th treatment, treat her, absolutely zero change. Nothing. At that point patients get frustrated. Staff gets frustrated. We get frustrated. You go, ‘Gee, I’m sorry. We treated you seven times. I guess you’re not one of those people that is going to get better.’ And when these people come to me, maybe you’re a 100 foot hole and we brought you up 50 feet. We don’t know. We know Quantum Neurology®  works. We’ve helped others. Let’s just see. And on that 8th treatment, she moved. Now she’s doing sets of 100 leg extensions, 100 leg flexes, 100 adductions, 100 abductions, 100 straight leg raises. She is spending 90 minutes a day in a standing frame. She is close to walking. So close to walking.”

For Quantum Neurologists, it all comes back to the nervous system. It’s about maximizing human performance through the nervous system. Through Quantum Neurology®, we have an expanded understanding of the nervous system. We greatly feel that these concepts expand our ability to help people, no matter their history. Which doctor would you rather go to if you were injured? The doctor that says, ‘Sorry, there is nothing we can do for you’ or would you rather go to a doctor that says, ‘If there’s nerve supply here there is an opportunity for rehabilitation.’ It’s not a magic pill, but Dave’s stories give us hope and insight into what an extraordinary thing Quantum Neurology® can be.

For more information on Dr. Dave Pascal: Google “Dr. David Pascal” or go to http://healthinstituteofnorthcarolina.com/Our_Practice.html Dave is located in Cary, North Carolina. His office number is 919-380-8000 or you can send an email to drpascalhelps@yahoo.com

For those of you that are patients that are not near Cary, NC, or that are not elite athletes that need Dave’s care we do have a doctor locator on our website at http://quantumneurology.com/ Just type in your zip code and then you can find the doctor nearest you. You may have to expand on the miles radius feature, but you will be able to find the doctor closest to you.

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